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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:12 pm • #  
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Mates, great thread....all the stuff we don't talk about much...wonderful to see...

This may be the first manual for the PRINCE reel...has anyone ever seen it or have one? Advertised as a miniature!

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Dennis and chris...those are some fantastic kits! I don't think your going to just run across those anymore...

Dennis, I've never seen that extra plate in the first/second version spools before...I checked mine...Rolands may be the best to ask, as he has likely opened more of these anyone on this thread.

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Thanks Sandman,

I've not seen your nice Prince Manual before. Regarding the extra disks in the two early spool constructions, it seems to be something rare to find. I'm hoping another mate has come across one or more. The disk is visible upon close inspection without spool disassembly. Regards, Dennis2149


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Dear Dennis2149,

I must confess that I've never dismantled a spool in the way that you do.

If the disc can be seen without dismantling I'll have a look later. If I don't respond, I haven't found any.

Kind regards,

Rolands.


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This is a brilliant thread . Very interesting and I appreciate the chance to see these items .
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Dear Dennis2149,

I have checked 40 early, flat bottomed spools and 11 have a disc and 29 don't. I opened 3 spools and they have different discs, which I attach a photo of. The one on the right is plastic with a metal centre; the middle one is metal painted very dark brown; and the one on the left is metal painted black.

I found discs in shallow and deep spools. The spools are the same height whether with or without a disc.

I attach photos of boxes of line for the odds and ends part of this thread.

The MK.2 owner's leaflet you showed us highlights the 1945 wire line retainer patent no. 900325; so it dates post 1945.

By the way, the wooden knob you showed is perfect.

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Rolands.


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Dear Rolands,

Thanks for checking for the spool disks. I probably have several dozen early spools and have only found the two to contain a disk in their construction. I especially like the one on the right that is plastic with a metal center. I appreciate the pics you posted to include the Box Mitchell Line pics. The info. on the early manual is also appreciated. Relating to the spool disks, I can only try and guess as to the appearance of the disks in the early spool design. Maybe, the early Bakelite spool mold wasn't initially the correct height and a spacer/disk had to added until the mold was corrected--not wanting to waste possibly a large run of spools. Additionally, leaving out the spacer/disk could, perhaps negatively affect the reels level wind line lay. Since, it has been said that the Mitchell was designed around the spool, for me it's fun to study the spool construction too.
PS: I was hoping you would confirm the authenticity of the wooden knob. Thanks.

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Dear Dennis2149,

For the sake of completeness I checked 20 more spools from later MK.2 reels and only found one more disc. So that makes 12 from 60, or 20%. It does seem that the discs are mainly on the earlier spools, and what you suggest makes sense.

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A collector needs good reference material :


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You can't have too much:


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You really can't !!


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Dear Rolands,

Thanks for checking the additional early spools. Maybe our findings will be recorded/documented in a future Mitchell Reel publication. As to your reference materials, all I can say is Wow-Wow-Wow. I do have Wallace's Book and the Mitchell Birth of a Legend Collectors Guide but not the others. As far as those in French,
Est-ce que tu parles français?

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Dear Dennis2149,

I can't claim to speak French. I did study French at school and I have corresponded with French reel collectors over the last 4 - 5 years, so I have picked some up. It is actually not a difficult language to understand, as I'm sure you are aware. And, of course, when I'm stuck there is always the dictionary.......

As I have written elsewhere, anyone interested in the beginning of Mitchell and the early reels needs to learn some rudimentary French and investigate what was happening reel-wise in the 30's in France.

The books by Caminade and de Medts are essential reading.

I have pondered as to why the Carpano-designed CAP is so often dated to 1937/8 when I have seen no evidence to support this. I am beginning to wonder if it is a simple case of mistaken identity.
After all, the original AMR-built CAP does date to the late 30's.

Congratulations on instigating this topic which is proving very popular.

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Rolands.


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Hi Rolands,

I too have studied French both in High School and Junior College which as of now was long ago. I think it's well to encourage our mates to try to become a bit familiar with the language. I speak French only at an elementary level but it has helped me in my limited research and when searching ebay.fr... My posting on this thread has slowed down a little for I do currently have the majority of my beloved early Mitchell's stored away at another location. I hope to access them shortly and fire up the camera. In the interim, I do have a couple more things around the flop to dig out and post if you mates will bare with me.

Best regards as always, Dennis2149


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Dennis2149, Thanks so much for posting the pics of your 2nd version, love seeing them. :sSig_nicethread:

Rolands,

Thank you for posting the pics of your reference guides.
Is your Wallace Carney "Limited Edition" very much different from the 2010 3rd Printing version? You probably know that there is also a "Special European Addition" as well. I have been told that the "European Addition" contains Wallace's Reel Dating Guide? Does your "Limited Edition" contain the Dating Guide?

I have been searching hard for a reasonably priced copy of Mike DiMattio's "Mitchell 300 Boxes Reference" and was wondering if your copy is the "2008 Limited Edition" or the "2009 Limited First Edition"? Mike DiMattio's books are very hard to find in the U.S. Is this also true in the U.K.? 8o

Until your post I was unaware of Dennis Roberts, "Limited Presentation Edition" work. That looks like a fabulous guide. I was lucky to get a copy of Dennis's "Collectors Reference Guide" when he sold them on eBay years ago. I have rarely seen the "Collectors Value Guide" for sale, and the few times I have, it sold for an outrageous price. :eek

The search goes on........ :sFun_eyescan:
Thanks again for this very helpful post.
Kind Regards,
Bill :tup


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Dear Bill,

I believe that the Limited Edition "Carney" is the same as the 3rd. printing. It doesn't include the dating guide.

My "DiMattio" is the 2009 limited first edition which I bought from Mike who is a friend. I don't know if he has other copies. I think the going rate is $100 - 150. They are hard to find.

The Dennis Roberts Limited Presentation Edition is very special : 12 copies for his inner circle.

A reasonably priced book which contains Wallace's dating guide is Mitchell - a class by itself. By Paul J. Hyde jr. You should find this easily in the US.

You must realize that many of these books are limited runs, which make them collectable in their own right and, therefore, more valuable than they would be just as books. The problem authors have is that there is little demand for books on Mitchell.

The Mitchell collector's value guide by Dennis Roberts is a good book to have as are the books by Caminade, although they are in French. The "Frewing" is inexpensive.

I found the best thing is to make one's own research and notes. There is a wealth of information in this Forum, although much of it is contradictory. Take your time and work through it quietly, ask questions as necessary and you'll soon have all the information you need.

Kind regards,

Rolands.


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Mates,

Since nothing cloth has been posted in this thread so, I post a few (refraining from posting many :lol ).

Here are the Garcia Fishing Team and Pro Staff cloth patches.

John

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Here are a couple more: Garcia Fishing Award and World Record Holder cloth patches.

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John,

Love the patches. I've never seen them before. So many nice items out there to see. I look forward to more.

Kind regards, Dennis2149


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Hey Dennis2149,

Garcia also did cloth patches of gamefish (some of which are fairly common). Here are 3 of the more elaborate, visually intersting ones (perhaps not as common).

John
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Hi John,

Really like those patches. Dennis2149

Hi Mates,
Remember the tin box? What is stored in it????


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All things Mitchell lures. Both new and used.....


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Includes two pics that represent European Packaging...


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Mates,
Snow, sleet and freezing rain here today. Good opportunity to take some pics and share with you.....


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Close up...


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Need to put some nice Mitchell/CAP Reels on these...


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Think Blue Conolon...


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Hi Mates,

:sFun_eyescan: Lots of Great stuff here :sFun_eyescan: Thanks for posting :sHa_okay: .

I agree that you can't have too much reference material and I could make an argument that it is probably the most important part of your collection. My reference library has prevented me from making many poor judgments/purchases and has also provided hours of reading/researching enjoyment. Here are a few of mine that haven't been mentioned yet.

These are all of the Garcia Fishing Annuals 1958-1980. Great stories, advertising and history.
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These are the Garcia Fishing Tackle Catalogs (Trade Magazines) and I have most of them 1952-Late 80s.
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And these are Garcia's The Spin Fisherman which were subscription quarterlies in the early to mid 1950s. They contain stories, reader submissions with photos and advertising.
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Here are a few more:

This is a Garcia Service Manual (Well Used) - The Schematics are excellent and many have the Reel Mechanics personal notes.
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And these are parts lists, interchangeability listing/cross reference and schematics.
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As I said, you just can't have too much reference material but unfortunately it's getting harder to find and usually quite expensive when you do........But I remain on the hunt.

Regards,
Chris


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Hi Chris,
Very nice reference material. I would enjoy and could loose myself reading all those publications. I'm anxious for spring to already get here so I can get onto a stream with a vintage reel.
Best regards, Dennis2149


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